Bridging Differences

Deborah Meier and Diane Ravitch have found themselves at odds on policy over the years, but they share a passion for improving schools. Bridging Differences will offer their insights on what matters most in education.

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February 26, 2007

Introducing Deborah Meier

Since I'm writing my introduction after Diane wrote (and shared) hers, I have a chance to make mine a "reply"—to set the stage for our future blogs.

First of all, Diane and I have been arguing for a lot longer than she mentions. Diane called me maybe 15 years ago to suggest that since I had been a critic of some of her works, why didn't she come and actually see some of mine—the school I was working in. So we met, for the first time, at Central Park East Secondary School in East Harlem. And we bonded thereafter, even as we continued to criticize each other's ideas—especially when it came to matters of education policy. This is easier to do now—many years later—when we are both at New York University.

Second, our histories are interestingly different. I grew up in New York—for 8 years in what was once the rural suburbs, and later in Manhattan. My family were always engaged in politics—liberal, labor-oriented, (my mother once ran for City Council), as well as in the world of Jewish intellectual and social causes. I went to privileged independent progressive schools, then to Antioch and finally the University of Chicago for a Master's Degree in History. So Diane and I are both historians by training, if not in professional focus. I almost went on for a doctorate but instead had three kids and got involved on a semi-fulltime basis in the socialist, civil rights and peace movements of the 50s-60s in Chicago—mostly using my house as the base of operations. I was a founding member with Michael Harrington of a group called Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee. (I've always had a penchant for small "schools" of thought.)

Third, when my kids were about school age, I tried to earn a little money the easiest way I could: as a substitute teacher on Chicago's southside. It turned out to be the hardest thing I had ever done, and I had no natural talent for it. But it was an extraordinary experience. These schools, it struck me, were hardly designed in ways that would help produce a feisty, smart, compassionate citizenry. Fortunately our democracy has survived as well as it has despite schooling that was more oriented toward compliance than democracy. What could it be if... I wondered.

One thing led to another and I'm still wondering.

For the next 40-something years I've been wondering from inside schools: as a parent of publicly educated urban kids, as a kindergarten (and Head Start) teacher, a founding member and sort-of-head of a number of new small democratically-governed public elementary and secondary schools in NYC and Boston. Always looking for the cracks that could expand the democratic nature of classrooms and schools. Along the way I got the necessary credentials and began to write about my work-mostly for the families of the kids in the schools in which I worked, for Dissent and The Nation, among others, and finally wrote a few books, starting with "The Power of Their Ideas" in 1995. My political “organizing” largely focused on trying to get networks of teachers and parents together—being a rep to NYC’s AFT local, forming the North Dakota Study Group, The Center for Collaborative Education, the Coalition of Essential Schools, The National Board of Professional Teaching Standards, and lately the Progressive Ed Network of New England and a Campaign for Children to demand that we support playfulness at least for our youngest children! It helped to receive support from the prestigious MacArthur Foundation, in the form of a hefty award in the late ‘80s.

If only our voices, those closest to the children, would be heard in the halls of policy makers how much easier it would be to do good work on the ground, we thought. Even when we weren’t being heard, being in the midst of vibrant, living and complicated schools sustained my hopes. I'm missing that now.

All this leads to my current worry: the threatened future of public education itself. I worry also about the ties that bind my colleagues together through their unions. These two powerful common concerns connect Diane's work and my own. That we still disagree on so many other matters fascinates me; hopefully it will interest others as well.

Introducing Diane Ravitch

Hi, I am Diane Ravitch and I am really excited about the opportunity to blog with Deborah Meier. Deb and I had quite a lot of fun writing an article that was published in Education Week (May 24, 2006) as "Bridging Differences." We started writing the article after we shared a platform at New York University, where we discussed and debated the current era of school reform. We met before the session to hash out what we would say and had the startling discovery that there was a bunch of things that we agreed upon. After the public forum, we continued to email each other, exchanging ideas. Eventually we hit upon the notion that out of this exchange might come an article. For many weeks, we wrote each other, agreeing, disagreeing, arguing, editing each other's words. And the article did appear.

Then a few weeks ago, someone at EdWeek decided that it might be fruitful to continue the discussion, in relation to real-time events of the day. We decided we would give it a go.

So here are the things you should know about me before we start. I was born in Houston, Texas, where I attended public schools from kindergarten through high school, along with my seven brothers and sisters. I then went to Wellesley College, where I graduated in 1960. A few weeks after college graduation, I married. For a time I worked at the New Leader magazine, a wonderful publication where I learned about democratic socialist politics. (At the time and for most of my life, I was a registered Democrat; for the past decade, I have been a registered independent.) Then I started having children. The first, Joseph, was born in 1962. The second, Steven, was born in 1964. Steven died of leukemia in 1966. Needless to say, I was devastated. This was a traumatic event in my life and the life of my family. I had another child as soon as I could, another son, Michael, in 1967.

Soon after Michael's birth, I embarked on writing projects for the Carnegie Corporation of New York. Since I was young and inexperienced, I worked at what is known in New York labor circles as piece-rates, for $5 an hour. One of those projects involved reporting back to Carnegie staff about the Ford Foundation's support for experiments in school decentralization in NYC. From what I learned, I decided I wanted to write a history of the New York City public schools. No master's degree, no doctorate, just a passionate desire to write this book. Through the good offices of the Carnegie Corporation, I met Lawrence Cremin of Teachers College, the most eminent historian of education of that time, who set me on the path to becoming a historian and also to earning a doctorate (bypassing the master's degree) at Columbia's Graduate School of Arts and Sciences.

Long story short: I did write that history. It is called "The Great School Wars: New York City, 1805-1973." I joined the faculty of Teachers College as an adjunct, rising from an assistant professor to full professor, while I continued to write books, reviews, articles, essays. One highlight of that period of my life occurred in 1989-1990, when I traveled to Poland, Hungary, Romania, and Czechoslovakia at the behest of the American Federation of Teachers, encouraging nascent teachers' unions in countries that were emerging from a long era of totalitarianism.

In 1991, much to my surprise, I received an invitation from Secretary of Education Lamar Alexander to join him as Assistant Secretary of Education in charge of the Office of Educational Research and Improvement at the U.S. Department of Education. That was in the administration of President George H.W. Bush. I had a wonderful, exciting experience and learned an incredible amount about federal education policy. While in office, I strongly advocated on behalf of voluntary national content standards in all subjects: English, history, science, mathematics, the arts, geography, civics, economics, even physical education (and signed the contracts to fund many of them).

After I left government in 1993, I went to work at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., an incredibly vibrant think tank, where I wrote a book about national standards in education.

I returned to New York City in mid-1994 and accepted an offer to become a research professor at New York University. Since then, I have written several more books, including "Left Back," "The Language Police," and a recently published anthology "The English Reader," which I edited with my son Michael (a great experience!).

That's a start towards knowing who I am. Oh, one more thing, I live in Brooklyn, New York, which is a great place to live, and I have an abiding interest in the New York City public schools.

Deborah Meier


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Diane Ravitch

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