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Responding to School Shootings


In the wake of violent events such as those at Red Lake and Columbine, differing approaches emerge as to how schools should deal with the aftermath and prevent violent acts in schools in the future.

How should educators respond to school shootings or other acts of violence? What can be done to prevent such occurrences in the future?


Every school superintendent and school board needs to look at there own schools, students and there community in order to establish a school climate that is safe for all students and school staff.
Today, every school board employee must know the four types of school bullies and their RED FLAG warning signs. How in the world do you help the victims when you can't see those who threatend, intimidate or make life a daily living hell for students from the time they come to school to the time they leave.
School systems are missing a golden opportunity in saving students from serious problems:

Someone has done a great job selling cameras to public schools, those cameras took the picture of the students shooting staff and other students at Columbine, and even now the camera captured the tragic images of the shooting at Red Lake, MN. killing a teacher, security officer, students, grandparent and those who were wounded.

Metal Detectors at every door, let's fence in every school, let's put an I.D Card around every students neck so we can see who it is.


How about letting our school counselors be counselors? How about we invest in having three more school counselors in every elementary school so we can see the baggage that these children are bringing to our schools and provide serious help. We in our schools need to know who is on serious medication, who has been Baker Acted to a Mental Facilities and now returing to school, who is involved in the juvenile justice system and is attending our schools, who was just released from a correctional facility and is allowed to enroll in our schools, every school district needs an Interagency Agreement or you have seriously failed in communicating to help students and school staff.

Buying all this equipment sounds great to the parents and the community, but we have failed in getting students to take responsiblity. They must be taught to BREAK THE CODE OF SILENCE that exist in all of our schools, public as well as private.

Just take a look at how we are using our school counselors, they do great work, but they are not seeing the problem or have enough of them to fix it. INVEST IN SCHOOL COUNSELORS AS A PREVENTION.

Scool violence is terrible at best. We need to keep in mind that these types of things have happened over the last 50-75 years. We need to look at what causes this and what we can do to be proactive in dealing with students on the edge.

In the late 1950's, at a very upper middle class elementary school in Houston, Texas, a bomber came into school with his small son. He was looking for his ex-wife. He had a briefcase with explosives in it. He killed and injured quite a number of students and adults, including his son and himself. The janitor tackled the man and knock his away from the principal. They never found the bomber, son, or the janitor. The principal was saved but hurt seriously. The elementary school was very near Rice University and to make things really strange, the name of the school is Edgar Allen Poe.

My wife was one of the children at the school when the blast went off.

In Faith, Hope, and Love,

Dr. Robert Gene Otey

Schools (especially elementary) in Japan have these prongs with a long which can be used to push someone and pin them against the wall mounted along the hallways. Of course, most of their attacks (if not all) have been with knives and slashing because it is difficult to get hold of a gun in Japan. I'm not so sure they would work against somebody shooting several guns but maybe someone could approach from behind. It's obvious that weapons are needed to protect the students and teachers just as they are needed to protect the pilots on our airplanes. They don't necessarily have to be lethal weapons, just something to disarm or fight back with at a safe distance of course. There are people who will go into action without thought for their personal safety and might be wounded or killed but they will have at least had the chance to try to save themselves and others. As it is, they are all sitting ducks since the shooter(s) rarely come to school on time with the weapons in their backpacks but arrive shooting up the school and anyone on the frontline is killed first without being able to sound the warning.

Amen, Wolfgang... PREVENTION is the key! And awareness of all of school climate! Thank you for your great comments....what are the 4 types of bullies and how to treat/respond? thanx! N

I think that all of the responses are part of the solution.
Wolfgang is right that prevention is the first step for the bully problem.
But with the advancement of technology and the occassional loose cannon as mentioned by Dr. Otey (which can happen any time) We might need some "toys" that can protect the school.

It is not how teachers should respond to the incident it is what teachers should have done prior to this child loosing it. Did no one see him the last two years? His attitude, dress and actions? He needed help and no one came to his rescue. So programs of mentoring and support need to be in place in every school. One teacher with one statement or action of support can turn a student around.

I agree with Wolfgang that PEOPLE are more the answer than TOOLS. Counselors who can actually meet and support students who are having difficulties, and who can follow them for more than one year, are really key to addressing the growing violence. The lack of personal interaction that kids have with adults, including their parents, plays a part in the lack of empathy that so many children show.

If students were taught the Transcendental Meditation technique, there would be no violence, depression, drugs, smoking, apathy or dropping out. Students would excel in personal growth and academics. They would be interested in improving themselves. Look at www.CBEprograms.org, www.maharishischooliowa.org.

Prepared schools train their staff on early warning signs of violence, proactive school security procedures, and emergency preparedness plans.

The issue is not one of more prevention OR better security, but one of more prevention AND better security. You have to have a secure environment in which to deliver other prevention, intervention, and education programs.

School-associated violent deaths spiked to 49 last school year, more than the two previous school years combined. We are at 31 as of this writing this school year. Front line school safety officials and related sources consistently suggest a spike the past two years in safety concerns and incidents in their districts.

School safety professionals are competing against decreased school safety budgets and an increased competition for time --- and they are losing on both accounts. The question is not whether Red Lake or other shootings are a wake-up call. The real question is whether we will hit the snooze button and go back to sleep.

Kenneth S. Trump
National School Safety and Security Services

PREVENTION is the key. We cannot ignore rejection in our schools. If we put an and to intolerance and its resulting bullying, we will lessen the likelihood that another child will die at the hands of a classmate who had been bullied in the past. School counselors are an integral part of this in terms of talking to both the victims and the bullies. Cameras and metal detectors seem to be our future, but we could save millions of dollars if we teach acceptance from a young age!!!

Lisa Pescara-Kovach, Ph.D
Assistant Professor and Creator of PEERS (Preventing, Eliminating, and Erasing Rejection in our Schools)
The University of Toledo
Toledo, OH 43606

I agree that prevention is the key, parent involvement is part of the key. I belive social workers in the schools can help better understand what is happening in the troubled child's life, and provide needed interventions. In the school districts I have been working with, the school counselor has a much different role in the life of the child than what a social worker can bring.

I think education is the first step. Teachers, counselors, social workers, and administrators need to collaborate with parents, and the community in forums to educate one another about the causes of violence and hate in society and within communities, and the warning signs that exist prior to a violent act. Then, we need to work together to create a support system for our kids like that mentioned by Wolfgang and others. Schools need to create a climate of trust and mutual respect where everyone is valued.

Requiring schools to use metal detectors and defense weapons will be detrimental to the school climate. The only people who will profit are those who own the companies producing such items.

Thank you, Wolfgang, for realizing the role that school counselors are supposed to play in the school setting. We train our students in the ASCA National Model: A Framework for School Counesling Programs, which consists of three domains: academic, career, and personal/social. As written in the ASCA's National Model book and workbook, appropriate activities for school counselors include counseling students who are tardy, absent, have disciplinary problems, working with students to provide small and large group counseling services, and assisting the school principal in identifying and resolving students issues, needs and problems. Our counseling students, under CACREP guidelines, must complete many hours of supervised theory-based counseling, both in individual and group settings. With this training, the school counselor IS able to understand what is happening in the troubled child's life and CAN provide the needed interventions. While we can't and shouldn't spend time in a therapuetic, clinical mode of counseling, we are trained in cognitive-behavioral and brief solution-focused theories that are extrememly effective in working with students. We know where to refer students when they need more extensive help. Also included in the ASCA National Model is the expectation that the school counselor is there to serve every student. Of course, this is difficult to do when school counselors are doing clerical work that includes scheduling and registration, maintaining student records, data entry,and coordination or administration of aptitude and achievement tests. We need to keep looking for the "invisible" child, which is how these school shooters are described by the FBI. SCHOOL COUNSELORS INDEED DO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE SCHOOL SETTING WHEN ALLOWED TO DO WHAT THEY WERE TRAINED TO DO.

We need to work with our young students to help them learn how to be a community. For schools, this starts int he classrooms. At my school we use Responsive Classroom in which every day, every class starts out with a morning meeting. They learn to greet each other, learn how to take turns, learn to sahre about themselves, and discuss any problems they may have. Students need to learn about everyone and their differences and how to accept them. Another aspect of Responsive Classroom is using logical consequences for inapporpriate behavoir. The students themselves partake in deciding and an apology of action is required if someone was physically hurt or had feelings hurt. Teachers need to get to know their students so they can refer them to the social worker if needed and/or communicate with their parents. It is a process that starts the first day a child walks into the classroom, not the day you notice a problem. Teachers need to build trust with their students and the parents. We need the support of the parents in providing

We need to make an investment in our children by investing in our education system. I read about many great ideas to increase social workers and counselors, but with budget cuts across the nation, it becomes harder to keep the staff we have. As a nation, our children our our most precious resource, and we need to do everything we can to ensure they have a safe school environment. That means schools, teachers, students, parents, communities, and local businesses must work together to find solutions.

Our Native American children and students need the education of their own culture, heritage, beliefs, philosophy, and language. Our youth is changing their identity to something that they're not. They see it daily, they hear it daily, and they practice it daily; thereby losing their own self-identity. Please help our Native American children and students to learn about where they came from, their history, culture, and Native American spirituality. NCLB is a pressure toward the loss of Native American languages, and culture. We need school staff who can understand Native Americans and be able to help students to overcome their shortfalls. Many children and students do not have parents, and they need all the guidance and support they can get. Wouldn't you be proud if you knew who you really are, where you came from, and where you're going?

In 1962, the beginning of this epidemic began, when religion was removed from the environment of public schools. I agree with with Dr. Robert Otey, that 50 - 75 years ago, these cases of violence that America has experienced since 1998, was unheard of. In the 1950's and 1960's adolescents were taught the Bible and they recited the Lords Prayer in school. In doing so they were enlightend with the truth and a sense of morals and values were instilled upon their daily walk of life.
Unfortunatly, parents, educators, and politicans are forgetting that the foundation of our education system was built on the Bible and Christianity, most of our founding fathers were Christians. Therefore, if they created and devolped our government that we still obey and follow, why abolish the most important element and ingredient to their rationale of civilization.
Unfortunatly, adolescents in the twenty-first century lack role models and are unable to define morals and ethics, in fact do our adolescents have a sense of morals and values and if they do what are they?

To Nancy/North Carolina
From: Wolfgang

Thanks for asking about the four types of bullies that today exsist in our schools.
Every school employee today must be trained in identifying the RED FLAG WARNING SIGNS.
Every school employee must be trained on how to help the victims of the threats,intimitation and outright daily harrassment the student's encounter.
1. Physical Bully.. can be a boy or girl, Girls today are becomming more aggressive that ever, so please don't be fooled.
What does a physical bully enjoy doing?
He or she get a great pleasure of hitting, spitting, pulling hair, pinching, biting, setting hair on fire, urinating on other student's, sticking their head in the toilet, pushing, shoving them done a stairwell, etc anything that is possibly physical. If you can imagine it, it's happening to our children.

2. Verbal Bully... Picture a verball bully that you have encountered in your school, now that same boy or girl has raised the stakes in threatning,intimidating and harrassing students on a daily basis making life hell. Over 160,000 kids are afraid to come to school on a daily basis. They are not afraid to hurt those who are vulnerable.

3. Social Bully... This today has become the most dangerous type of bully. All you have to do is stand in your school cafeteria and watch it unfold. Private and parochial schools have this as their major safety concern. Of the three I have given you so far which one of these occured in Columbine? NO one should miss this question. The RED FLAG WARNING signs were there but with the lack of training, disaster struck. But, as I said the cameras saw what happened. It did not stop it.

4. High Tech Bully... get ready for violence and major law suits unfolding from this major type of player who uses threats, intimidates and harrasses on the Internet, text message, cell phone, camera phones and we allow all of this to occur on our school campus. School boards and school superintedents should reconsider allowing camera phones and cell phones on their school campuses. It has already started across the country, students taking pictures of other student's in the shower room naked, on the toilet or using the urinal, trying to catch teachers and school administrators doing something that can be taken out of context and all of this will be posted on the internet. If a school board has a policy allowing this high tech danger on their school grounds, I believe they will have exposure.

In Miami, Florida a middle school student just recently cut off another students head and stabbed the body over 10 times, all about High Tech bullying. Both students involved were gifted students with NO history of discipline issues.

The book entitled the EARLY WARNING SIGNS was published by the Federal Department of Education/ Safe and Drug Free Schools. Best Material ever, the problem is we have not taught the material to all the stakeholders who have an urgent need to know.

Just sharing info Nancy, I hope it helps somewhat.

Wolfgang W. Halbig

We are working in to learn (study) all this situation in Chile and the other countries, for can to find a learning about it.
We are teachers working in a Security school as a pilot project.
This project included alcohol and drugs, influence, fisical and verbal bully, and security for possibles earthquakes, fire and other disasters.
We are ussing your articles for our analisis, and can to learn about your (bad)experiences, and find the best experiences for increase projects in the educational system.
We are finding to learn behind the academic interchange, in special because our national educational system find an increase of the english language in our society. In it, we would like to find to make a project for help to chilean teachers can to trip to US for have training in english language, to know the american educational system, and can to help teaching spanish as second language, using only teachers with universities titles and working in the national system.
thanks for your attention

From Santiago-Chile Prof. Patricio Salinas (569-5383041)

Members of the NRA and other pro-gun organizations have said that the solution to school violence is to arm teachers and other school officials. What do teahcers and other school officials think of this idea?

I am amazed at all the great ideas out there on this chat session. Wolfgang has the right idea on early prevention. The stress being on EARLY! It has to start early and it has to be sustainable. As Kenneth put it earlier, are we going to hit the snooze button and go back to sleep.

Too many times I have seen students killed because of drinking and driving. For about a month students, teachers, Administrators, and parents are much nicer and approachable. Then it's back to the same old grind til it happens again.

One way of getting monies to help, is by applying for grants (which are in abundance on a google search) and also talking to your local legislator and getting state government to help foot the bill.

As to answering the question of arming teachers and other school officials. I don't think we need school personnel carry any type of weapon. What happens when they crack?

Wow! While many of these posting are good --- some, being from educators, are downright scary.

These horrific acts by our children did not occur two generations ago. That begs the question… what's different? Might I suggest there are two major differences between then and now.

Major difference number 1: Us big people are clearly doing a lousy job teaching the little people. We teach them too many wrong things --- especially when they watch TV, play video games, and go to the movies. We don't teach them enough of the right things --- wrongheaded curriculum --- diminished expectations --- reward for participation instead of achievement etc.. Other big people failings include poor parenting and lack of responsibility/accountability everywhere. I’d like to shoot the idiot who introduced the psychobabble and nebulous concept “self esteem” --- as if one could nurture, damage, or bestow it on others. Try “self respect” --- nothing “fuzzy” about it and clearly can only be earned by ones self.

Major difference number 2: Drugs! No, not the illicit stuff on the street --- but the mind altering, brain frying drugs the school nurse gives our children putting them into a benevolent stupor of convenience for our educators. What makes anyone think a brain not fully formed as in five or six year olds can withstand the abuse of these chemicals without consequence? Please know that drug makers fly teams of damage control experts via corporate jets immediately to venues where children have committed atrocities. Why? Because these kids, almost without exception, grew up on their drugs and they must make sure that connection appears meritless. Wake up America --- we the big people are ruining our children and our country’s future!

I agree with John in his major difference number 1. We are teaching our kids too many wrong things on the TV. The vedio games are even worse.

I also believe that there is too much discrimination out there in our schools. Some are cared for and loved, others are left alone in their darkest momnents. How about teachers learning to be parents and taking care of each one of the kids they teach as their own and letting them believe and trust in them. Someone was talking about counsellors. If students do not trust their counsellor they will never talk. Let teachers and counsellors behave as parents and parent be a part of the school community and help solve problems at the initial stages to avoid these problems becoming big enough to hurt a big community.

I agree with some of what John Kleman has to say about the "big" people in these childrens lives not doing thier jobs. There is no one all knowing solution. One thing I have noticed is that these young people who have something to do outside of school such as a sport, or musicial or even volunteering in thier communities keeps them out of trouble. Granted there is a few that will break all the rules. But on the whole, a person young or old if they are out helping others they aren't the ones getting into drugs or trouble. It also makes a huge difference if there is some sort of good support system at home. Home is a good place to start to help the problem.

Has no one ever come up with the partial solution of arresting some parents for these heinous crimes? I refuse to believe that a mom or dad is not aware that their child has engaged in such violent acts in the past and negligently did not seek help or take action for the child. In Michigan we had a terrible school shooting, everyone knows about the six year old, and the mother was arrested. Yes, that was a case that was clearly pointing to a negligent mother but when did parents stop being completely responsible for their 16 year old son? Most times they are still feeding them, the child still lives with them and, for the most part, the parent is still clothing them. Parents are supposed to be in their child's "business". The concept of parent arrests may not stop school shootings but maybe more parents will monitor their teenagers more strenously. There is nothing wrong with that.

It is ironic that my school system was already preparing to change over from armed police offficers in the schools to non-armed secruity guards at the time of the recent shootings. Given the level of violence that we have now, with the police present, many teachers are leery of returning next year to face the violence without armed back-up from the resource officers. I will not be returning.

Ever since Columbine, we have had similar conversations. I continue to see this believe that this is a question of whose problem is it? This tragedy and others like it represent community problems that find their way into thes school. Sure schools have a role here, but so too do families and communities. Unless, all are involved and agree on what is to be done we not find the answer.

And does anyone think that perhaps the focus on accountability and testing has led schools to diminsh their focus on social and emotional development for young peopoe. And do people realize that up to 60% of young people are chronically disengaged from school? Do we really believe that all of these issues are disconnected. www.communityschools.org

I would agree with the need for more counselors and greater emphasis on actually COUNSELLING vs. college applications, testing, etc. that tend to occupy counselors' time. At my school we have about 6 counselors attending to about 1300 students. Even accepting that not all of these students need constant or sustained interaction with the counselors, this is still not enough to allow for real attention and sustained effort for the students who do need more intervention for family issues, violent tendencies, social ostracism, and other compelling problems.

I think as teachers we also tend to be too quick to dismiss or overreact to the idea of effective armed response to attacks or violent threats. We routinely place 1000-3000 of our most precious citizens in a big, obvious, enclosed structure with little protection and expect that everything will be OK. No other organization or entity of that size in our society harbors that illusion: big businesses, sports venues, small towns, etc. all have sworn officers and/or armed security to deal with violent threats. Calling the patrol cars or SWAT teams from off-site to help after the attack starts is always going to result in a "too little-too late" tragedy: someone on the scene with the MEANS to resist and obstruct the attack can at least limit the loss of life until more help can arrive. The "what happens when they crack" remark is quite frankly insulting to school security staff and educators generally and it ignores reality concerning likely sources of harm.

All of you have some very good suggestions and ideas for a more secure school environment, but I have come to the conclusion that no amount of security measures will stop a person. If someone plans to do something and has their mind set on it, they will find ways around the security issues.

I don't think councilors are the answer for prevention, although they may be able to help some students. Teachers don't always know which students to send to councilors. I teach K-8 students and if I was to profile them then I would be sending many of my students to the councilor every day. How are teachers to know which students will go off and shoot up the school? If you really take a look at the past school shooters you will see that it's really not the "problem" students that are doing the shootings. It's the loners and the ones who get bullied and picked on. Even though teachers can help by lowering their toloerance of "violent" behaviror, which includes teasing, staring, pointing, even a mean look, they still cannot stop the bullying that goes on outside of the school or even in the school where teachers are not present (hallway, bathrooms, school bus).

I believe there is no easy answer and the problem of school shootings is a "society problem". I have been back to my school (not the high school) three times since the shooting and I don't feel scared because I realize that this can happen anywhere...at the post office, at the hospital, at the movie theater, in the grocery store....anywhere.........

To the Red Lake rez. teacher:

I agree with everything you stated. However, there is hope for preventing future shootings. The Indiana School Safety Specialist Academy has trained over 1000 school safety specialists in Indiana’s public school districts for over six years on the essentials of threat assessment (and all other aspects of school safety).

We use The Threat Assessment in Schools: A Guide to Managing Threatening Situations and to Creating Safe School Climates guide which was published in May, 2002 by the U.S. Department of Education and the U.S. Secret Service. Since September, 1999, the National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC) had studied 37 school shootings involving 41 attackers. NTAC personnel conducted interviews with 10 of the attackers. The results of this study overturned stereotypes and suggested ways to prevent shootings and other school violence. The implications of the 10 key findings from the Safe School Initiative’s Study of Targeted School Violence are especially relevant. In light of recent events of March 2005, two are of special note: # 5: Most attackers engaged in some behavior, prior to the incident, that caused others concern or indicated a need for help; and #7: Many attackers felt bullied, persecuted, or injured by others prior to the attack.

The Threat Assessment Guide (TAG) also takes school officials through the implementation of a school threat assessment process, how to conduct a school threat assessment, how to manage a threatening situation, and most significantly – how to create climates of school safety in which kids feel connected, that reduce school violence.

We do not have all the answers, but we have learned that cooperation, collaboration within an entire community, utilizing the local experts from law enforcement, emergency responders, and mental health, etc., has benefited Indiana’s schools. Using a comprehensive plan for the schools and involving the communities will enhance safety and security surrounding our schools and the environment within them.

The Academy extends our sympathies to the parents, students, staff members, and emergency crews who responded to the tragic shooting at Red Lake High School in Minnesota on March 20, 2005.

Here we are in 2006/2007 where schools get rid of any child that even remotely crosses any lines, because it is easier and expedient.

For example my son... no history of bad behavior, decent grades, cross country, track and basketball, Boy Scout (Life rank, Patrol leader, Order of the Arrow), participates in church youth group and children's puppet ministry. A page of writing reminiscent of Colombine only in its violence...because he has lumped his whole day of felling terrorized by two teachers and some football players and being 15 states what he thinks should happen to the people who have terrorized him. The school officials only see the paper....being his mother I know that something serious took place for him to be that totally outraged. But my son ends up being suspended for 10 days, expelled for 180 and having his character so blackened by the school that the kids from this school district refer to him as "psycho".

Bottom line, I am right. The paper was found two months after the event and we finally got to the bottom of what happened prior to its being penned after 6 sessions of counseling...it turns out that the football players, in a variety of different groupings of them, have been pushing students in the halls and pinning them to the lockers...just having fun since the beginning of that school year. The event that percipitated his writing, was seeing his cross-country team mate being pushed around and pinned to the locker. He drew the line and confronted the bullies because he wasn't going to put up with it "again". In drawing the attention away from the other boy, he became the target. He was aware of the mood of these boys because he also plays basketball with them. He is 6'3" and 180# so felt that they would stop the confrontation. They didn't because there were three of them and when they came at him, he got one good one in before they pinned him to the lockers and he took three punches in respond. It ended when he was told by the biggest of the bullies that if he said anything, they would bring the rest of the football team back and make him really sorry. He did not say anything about what happened with the football players. Fifteen year olds are not always that mature in dealing with situations such as this.

The bullies...two of their parents sat on the expulsion panel and never recused themselves from the vote.

I am not condoning violence in schools, but there are situations that arise that school officials need to get to the bottom of before they act and start putting their mandated policies into effect. How many other good and boarderline kids are being labled and thrown away because of fear of the "what if".

What rule change do you think would make the biggest difference in preventing school shootings?And how would this new rule affect a student's right?

So sad that care takers, including parents, would prefer to drug their children rather than deal with mental or behavioral issues. I can't judge because i have never been faced with anything like it WBR LeoP

I feel it is time to spend more time counseling and group counseling kids and spending less time on "coking them to the gills". And I`m doing fine after my surgery. WBR LeoP

I believe bullies are the cause for many of these school shooting. Children who are loners or shy are more likely to be targeted by other children and by the teachers. Schools should have strict rules for disrespect! Drugs in the schools is another huge contributer. Too often the bullies are ignored for thier actions and then the shy children are targeted as being disordered. First they are mistreated and misunderstood by classmates then they are abused again by the school system! It is a shame to see how disfunctional many schools have become! Public schools receive additional money for every child labeled with any of the new mentally ill labels like ADHD, Asperger Syndrome and Bipolar just to name a few. Then these schools will be the first to tell you that they do not receive money for gifted education. So I suppose that gives them an excuse to mistreat them or ignore thier needs. Gifted children suffer when they are bored, disconnected and discouraged in school. They are often the misfits and loners. Many schools are intentionally mislabeling them! Some teachers will do what ever they have to to get the parents to buy into these labels. Many of the parents that put thier children on these drugs have been told by school personal that this is in thier childs best interest and that the schools care about thier children and thier success. Parents want what's best for thier children and trust the schools. Schools are to blame for the out of control use of drugs and the total disrespect that is now so present in public schools today. It is not about what's best for the child it is the greed of the schools! Every teacher out there knows that it is all about the money! I am not writing to intentionally bash teachers or schools but I think it's time that we start looking at the whole picture here. These school shooters are victoms of a system that has clearly let them down!

The Response From: Dr. Robert Otey Director of the Educational Administration Program
03/29/2005 5:49PM__Does the doctor have citations to badk up his assertion this has been goning on for 50 to 75 years. I am 75 years old and I do not remember hearing about school shootings as I was growing up. I seriously doubt that it could have been covered up any easier 75 years ago that it is today. I believe it was Pliny the elder, a Roman writer that said, "What we do to our children, our children will do to us." In 1963 we declared war on our own children. We have taught them there are no consequences for bad behavior, that they are nothing more than animals, and they are free of adult influences in their miserable, lost lives and then we are shocked when they act like the secular progressives have taught them to act. Shame on you all.

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